In episode 080, I had a great conversation with Kevin Rapp, co-founder and chief creative officer of Ultra Friends. We dive into the exploitation of creatives and the crucial role of valuing creativity in business. Kevin shares his journey from working in agencies and studios to going in-house at a fast-growing startup, where he learned to focus not just on the craft, but on delivering real value to the business.

We discuss why creatives should stop pitching for free and start advocating for the true worth of their work. Kevin’s key takeaway? Understand and confidently articulate the immense value that creativity brings to the table.

This episode is a must-listen for any creative professional looking to elevate their impact and take control of their worth in the business world!

Key Takeaways

• Creatives need to shift their focus from the craft alone to delivering value to the business.

• Pitching for free devalues creativity and sets an unhealthy dynamic in client relationships.

• Understanding and articulating the true value of creativity is crucial for success.

• Advocating for fair compensation and valuing creativity leads to better career opportunities and financial growth.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:30 Transitioning from Agency to In-House Startup

06:09 Shifting the Focus to Value and Business Impact

09:55 Starting Ultra Friends and Optimizing Creative Content

15:05 The Importance of Not Pitching for Free

20:59 The Devaluation of Creativity and Self-Worth

26:00 Setting the Tone and Advocating for Fair Compensation

31:53 Understanding and Articulating the True Value of Creativity

Kevin is the co-founder and Chief Creative Officer of the creative agency Ultra Friends. He's an accomplished creative leader with almost two decades of experience in the field. And he's built a mild reputation for himself by shouting into the internet void on Linkedin.

In episode 079, I had the pleasure of speaking with Nicole Ayres, founder of Jumpsuit and creator of Jumpboards. After leaving the big agency world to freelance, Nicole built her own thriving agency—Jumpsuit—with zero paid ads and zero employees. She has since developed Jumpboards, a revolutionary end-to-end solution for agencies that streamlines everything from discovery calls to project handoff.

Nicole shares how Jumpboards empowers freelancers to confidently pitch larger projects and helps agencies operationalize business development, scoping, budgeting, and resource allocation. At the heart of her success? A strong belief in her team and a culture of collaboration and empowerment.

This episode is packed with insights for anyone looking to scale their agency or improve operational efficiency. Don’t miss out on Nicole's inspiring story and the game-changing strategies she’s developed!

Key Takeaways

• Building an agency without paid ads or employees is possible by leveraging a network of trusted freelancers.

• Jumpboards is a technology that streamlines the agency process and allows freelancers to pitch larger projects.

• Trust in your team is crucial for agency success.

• Creating a culture of collaboration and empowerment leads to a more fulfilling and productive work environment.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

08:21 Transitioning from Freelancer to Agency Owner

19:19 Introducing Jumpboards

27:31 The Future of Agencies and Freelancing

32:01Personal Interests and Advice

In Episode 073, I sat down with the brilliant Rachel Gertz, Co-founder of Louder Than Ten, to uncover the real power behind project management. We didn’t just talk about deadlines and deliverables—we dove into how effective project management can transform your agency from the inside out. Rachel shared game-changing insights on leadership, empowering your team, and rethinking the way digital agencies operate. From hiring the right talent to using the right tools for growth, this conversation is packed with strategies you can start using today to take your agency to the next level. Tune in now!

Key Takeaways

• Project management is a powerful conduit for empowering individuals and driving project success.

• Leadership challenges within digital agencies often stem from a lack of delegation and a scarcity mindset.

• The integration of project management tools and the development of financial literacy are crucial for effective project management.

• The role of project managers extends beyond traditional project delivery, encompassing strategic thinking, revenue growth, and team empowerment.

• Personal growth tools, such as journal trackers, can provide valuable insights and self-awareness for professional development.

Rachel Gertz is a Co-founder and Direc­tor of Deliv­ery and Growth at Loud­er Than Ten. She helps small to medi­um sized dig­i­tal agen­cies trans­form their dig­i­tal PM oper­a­tions through hands-on train­ing and con­sult­ing. Her mis­sion at Loud­er Than Ten is to pro­pel tech work­ers through an uncer­tain future by train­ing dig­i­tal com­pa­nies how to give pow­er to the peo­ple lead­ing their projects.

Contact Rachel: 

https://louderthanten.com

https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-gertz-trainer/

In episode 072, I had the incredible opportunity to sit down with Peleg Top, a talented artist and spiritual director, to tackle a topic every creative professional faces: overcoming creative burnout. If you’ve ever felt drained or stuck in your creative journey, this episode is for you.

Peleg and I go way back—over 20 years—and in this conversation, he opens up about his transformative journey from agency owner to guiding others through burnout and into spiritual alignment. Peleg’s insights on the importance of self-love, shifting from a fear-based mindset to one of abundance, and saying "no" more often are powerful reminders for anyone in the creative field.

We dive deep into recognizing and transforming toxic beliefs and discuss the fascinating role that plant medicine plays in his work. This episode is packed with wisdom for agency owners and creatives looking to reconnect with their passion and purpose. Don’t miss it!

Key Takeaways

• Recognize the symptoms of burnout as an opportunity for self-examination and spiritual growth.
• Shift from a fear-based mindset to one of abundance and self-love.
• Identify and transform toxic beliefs that are holding you back.
• Say no more often and trust your intuition.
• Create a life and business that aligns with your values and allows you to express your creativity.

Bytes of Note

00:00 Introduction and Background
06:06 Recognizing Burnout and Seeking Spiritual Alignment
14:15 Shifting from Fear to Abundance
25:09 The Power of Saying No and Trusting Your Intuition
31:31 Creating a Life and Business Aligned with Your Values

Peleg Top is an artist, a trained spiritual director and a teacher who mentors accomplished creatives and agency owners who meet themselves at a crossroad. 

His background comes from being an agency owner himself. He ran a leading design and branding firm in Los Angeles for twenty years until he experienced his own spiritual crisis at the age of 40 and decided to shift direction, sell his agency and become a guide and a coach who teaches creatives how to reinvent themselves. 

Peleg is the creator of the "Creative High Growth" process, which teaches creatives to rediscover their creative free spirit and guides them to create a life of abundance and prosperity. 

A world traveler, trained chef, a DJ  and breath work facilitator, Peleg’s mission is to activate and bring more love into the world.  

Contact Peleg:

website: www.PelegTop.com

LinkedIn: @PelegTop

IG: @PelegTop

Free Sample: https://www.pelegtop.com/chg-sample

Get ready to supercharge your agency's growth! In episode 071, I sit down with Karl Sakas, a seasoned agency veteran and the mastermind behind Sakas & Company, where he helps agency owners "work less and earn more." We dive deep into the art of expanding your agency by introducing new services. Karl shares his expert insights on the telltale signs that it's time to innovate, from declining demand to shrinking profit margins, and why staying ahead of client needs is crucial for long-term success.

We explore the strategic factors you must consider before making the leap—like analyzing market demand, understanding industry trends, and ensuring you have the right resources in place. Plus, we discuss the importance of evaluating your current offerings, identifying what’s no longer serving you, and knowing when to pivot. Karl also reveals common pitfalls to avoid and shares actionable advice to help you navigate the challenges of growing your agency with confidence.

Don't miss this episode packed with practical tips and insider knowledge to help you take your agency to the next level!

Key Takeaways

• The need to add new services may arise when existing services become less popular or profitable, or when new industry trends emerge.

• It is important to be forward-looking and reserve time to explore new services and trends.

• Before adding new services, consider stopping outdated or unprofitable services.

• Evaluate the demand and supply of new services, and ensure that there is a profitable supply of people to fulfill the work.

• Avoid overcommitting and consider the potential pitfalls, such as fixed bid commitments for new services.

• Pay attention to existing clients and their needs when introducing new services.

• Don't let problems fester in your agency; address them head-on to prevent them from getting worse.

Bytes of Note

00:00 Introduction and Background

02:48 Topic: Growing an Agency by Adding New Services

03:13 Recognizing the Symptoms and Need for New Services

06:38 Considering Demand, Supply, and Industry Trends

09:15 Strategically Evaluating Existing Services

13:00 Avoiding Pitfalls and Overcommitment

15:21 Listening to Clients and Addressing Their Needs

Karl Sakas helps digital agency owners ‘Work Less’ and ‘Earn More’… while rewarding their best employees. Drawing on his background in agency operations, Karl has personally advised hundreds of agencies on every inhabited continent. An international speaker, he is the author of three books—including 'Work Less, Earn More'—and more than 400 articles on agency management. When he’s not helping clients, Karl volunteers as a bartender on an antique train.

Contact Karl:

Article: https://sakasandcompany.com/adding-new-services/

Freebies: https://sakasandcompany.com/free-resources-for-agencies/

Book: https://worklessearnmorebook.com/

Workshop: https://sakasandcompany.com/agency-lead-gen-training/

In episode 070, I got to dive into the world of agency mergers and acquisitions with Jonathan Baker, the head of the M&A practice at Punctuation. Jonathan uncovers the secrets behind successful deals in the marketing services industry, shedding light on common pitfalls like leadership changes and cultural mismatches that can derail even the most promising mergers.

Discover the key elements that make an agency stand out to potential buyers, including the power of recurring revenue and strategic positioning. Jonathan shares his expert insights on valuation and talks through the sellability index, a tool that helps agencies measure their readiness for acquisition.

We explore the latest trends in M&A, the art of succession planning, and why it's crucial for founders to delegate and step back from daily operations. Whether you're looking to buy, sell, or simply learn more about the dynamics of agency mergers, this episode is packed with valuable information and actionable advice.

Key Takeaways

• Factors that can cause deals to fail include leadership changes and cultural fit issues.

• Recurring revenue and positioning are important factors in making an agency attractive for acquisition.

• Valuation should be done annually as part of the business planning process.

• The sellability index can help agencies track their progress towards becoming sellable.

• Trends in M&A include a higher number of interested buyers than sellers.

• Succession planning should consider factors such as age, long-term goals, and the presence of a capable successor.

• Founders should delegate and extract themselves from day-to-day operations to enable growth.

• Personal goals and fulfillment should guide business decisions.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

02:11 Factors that Impact the Success of M&A Deals

05:59 The Importance of Recurring Revenue and Positioning in Agency Acquisition

08:41 Valuation and the Sellability Index: Tools for Agency Planning

19:58 Succession Planning: Considerations for Founders

22:38 Delegation and Growth: Extracting Founders from Day-to-Day Operations

25:02 Aligning Business Decisions with Personal Goals

Punctuation is a small advisory practice working exclusively with small- to mid-sized independent marketing services firms. Founded by industry veteran David C. Baker, Punctuation helps firms with positioning, lead generation, benchmarking, valuation, and succession planning.

Jonathan heads up the M&A practice at Punctuation. He has worked on dozens of deals both inside and outside the industry and brings a unique perspective as a fellow owner who has gone through the process himself.

He graduated from Emory University’s Goizueta Business School in 2005. His career began working at a small boutique marketing strategy consultancy. There, he was able to do marketing strategy and positioning work for many well-known Fortune 500 CPG companies.

In 2011, he left to start a craft brewery, Monday Night Brewing where his focus was on marketing, sales, and taprooms. After helping his business partners grow to 180+ employees and numerous locations, Jonathan stepped away from the day-to-day to head up the M&A practice for Punctuation.

He loves cocktails, music, and hiking, and lives in Atlanta with his wife, two kids, and entitled rescue Australian Shepherd, Oscar Snugs.

Contact Jonathan:

Website: https://punctuation.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathandavidbaker/

Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/wearepunctuation/

Podcast: https://punctuation.com/insights/

In episode 069, I had the pleasure of chatting with Taylor McMaster, the founder of Dot and Co. Taylor shares her inspiring journey from launching her own agency to revolutionizing it into a fractional account management service for other agencies. Her story is full of valuable insights and lessons for anyone in the industry.

Taylor dives into the importance of proactive communication and strategies for expanding client accounts. She sheds light on the often daunting task of hiring and training account managers, revealing the incredible advantages of outsourcing this crucial role. Her advice to agency owners? Hire individuals who complement your weaknesses rather than those who mirror your strengths.

But it's not all business! Taylor also shares her passion for golfing and how she recently integrated a fractional sales director into her company, adding a new layer of expertise to her team.

Join us for this exciting conversation with Taylor McMaster, filled with actionable tips, personal anecdotes, and a fresh perspective on agency growth and management.

Key Takeaways

• Proactive communication is crucial in account management to keep clients informed and satisfied.

• Outsourcing account management can help agency owners focus on other aspects of their business and achieve a better work-life balance.

• Hiring account managers who complement your weaknesses can lead to a more well-rounded team.

• Golfing can be a fulfilling hobby and a way to relax and recharge.

• Bringing in a fractional sales director can provide expertise and support in growing your business.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

02:49 Starting Dot and Co and the Genesis of the Fractional Model

08:31 Integrating Account Managers into Agency Culture

11:36 Stepping into Existing Systems and Optimizing Processes

22:26 Personal and Professional Insights

25:06 Rapid Fire Questions

27:39 Valuable Business Advice

Taylor McMaster is the founder of DOT & Company where she and her team help digital marketing agencies keep their clients happy—and keep agency owners focused on what they do best—with full-service client account management (CAM) services.

Taylor leads a team of Client Account Managers at DOT & Company, training the CAMs to work with different agencies. To date, they have helped dozens of digital marketing agencies free up their time to prioritize the money-makers in their businesses, while the DOT & Co. team ensures their client experience is smooth like butter.

She is also the host of The Happy Clients podcast, where she interviews top names in the industry, diving deep into what makes clients happy in the agency world.

Contact Taylor:

Press: www.dotandcompany.co/press

Email: taylor@dotandcompany.co

Website: www.dotandcompany.co

Podcast: www.dotandcompany.co/podcast

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dotandcompany

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/taylormcmaster/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dot_and_company/

YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9_2hri1R1uaNTGeZr0Oyxg/

Twitter: ​​https://twitter.com/CompanyDot

In this episode, I had the pleasure of chatting with Anne Green, the CEO of GNS Business Communications. We met in an airport lounge and talk about the value of putting oneself “out there” to meet new people and discover new opportunities. Anne shares her journey to becoming CEO, revealing her unique leadership style rooted in compassion and empathy. We dive into the challenges of leadership and the importance of overcoming the 'us versus them' mentality.

Anne opens up about the value of curiosity, enthusiasm, and making meaningful connections in the agency world. We explore the significance of understanding one’s purpose and staying focused amidst rapid technological changes. Anne stresses the importance of agencies revisiting their culture, mission, and values to stay aligned and impactful.

Our conversation also highlights the need for trust-building, inclusivity, and open communication within organizations. Anne’s leadership style, characterized by vulnerability and openness, fosters an environment where team members feel comfortable speaking up. We wrap up by discussing the importance of self-compassion and finding joy in the dynamic world of agency life.

Join us for an engaging and insightful discussion with Anne Green, filled with practical advice and heartfelt reflections on leadership and agency dynamics.

Key Takeaways

• Transitioning to a CEO role requires learning leadership at scale and managing a collaborative matrix style.

• A leader's style should be warm, empathetic, and open, with a focus on being of service and making connections.

• Resisting the 'us versus them' mentality is crucial in both internal agency dynamics and agency-client relationships.

• Compassion and empathy are essential in understanding and supporting clients, as well as fostering a positive agency culture.

• Curiosity and enthusiasm are key traits for agency leaders, as they drive learning, collaboration, and problem-solving. Understanding purpose and staying focused is crucial in the face of technological advancements.

• Agencies should revisit their own culture, mission, and values to stay relevant.

• Trust-building, inclusivity, and open communication are essential for a strong and effective organization.

• Leadership should embrace vulnerability and openness to create an environment where people feel comfortable speaking up.

• Self-compassion and enjoying life are important for personal fulfillment in the agency industry.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

05:33 Transitioning and Learning Leadership at Scale

14:23 Resisting the 'Us Versus Them' Mentality

27:39 Building Trust and Fostering Inclusivity

36:54 Self-Compassion and Enjoying Life in the Agency Industry

Anne Green taps 30 years of experience in integrated marketing communications in her role as CEO and a partner at G&S Business Communications. She is responsible for ensuring excellence across all areas of agency performance and operations, from client service to the agency’s integrated offerings to cultivating a vibrant and growth-oriented culture. Anne was previously President and CEO of CooperKatz & Company, Inc., an award-winning agency she helped to build for more than two decades before it was acquired by G&S in 2018. She began her career with Burson-Marsteller in New York City. In her alternatives lives, she would be a singer or literature professor - but agency life ensures she's always creatively engaged.

Contact Anne:

https://www.gscommunications.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-e-green/

In this episode, I got to interview Brooke Sellas, CEO of B Squared Media, a boutique digital marketing agency. We discuss Brooke's journey of starting her agency, the importance of social care, and bridging the gap between marketing and sales. Brooke shares valuable insights and advice for agency owners from her book, “Conversations that Connect.” and insights on how they leverage social care for their clients. We also briefly touched on navigating the intricacies of working side-by-side with a spouse.

Key Takeaways

• Starting an agency requires taking risks and seizing opportunities.

• Social care is about acquiring and retaining customers through social media.

• Social engagement is crucial for building brand loyalty and trust.

• Bridging the gap between marketing and sales is essential for business success.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:00 Starting B Squared Media

06:00 Working with Spouse and Team Dynamics

09:00 Brooke's Role as CEO and Visionary

12:00 Defining Social Care

16:00 The Importance of Social Engagement

20:00 Bridging the Gap Between Marketing and Sales

28:00 New Hobbies, Tools, and Business Advice

Brooke Sellas is shaping the future of digital marketing, one conversation at a time. As a CEO, she's the visionary behind B Squared Media, a boutique digital marketing agency that's redefining 'social care' for industry giants like Brother International, Endless Pools, and BCU. With her groundbreaking 2022 book, "Conversations That Connect," she's charting a course for authentic digital interactions. Dive into her insights on the Marketing Agency Show podcast, or from one of two courses she teaches at the University of California, Irvine.

Contact Brooke and download B Squared Media’s 2023 Social Care Report:

https://bsquared.media/the-state-of-social-care-2023/

In this episode, I got to talk with Rahul Raj, founder of 5&Vine. They help challenger brands win. It’s in their DNA and their whole reason for showing up each day. Our conversation dug into the nuances of living in your niche, how to define the edge of that niche, and how they evaluate wavering outside of the laser focus of who they work with. Rahul spoke about the inherent risks of being too deeply niched what tier diversification means to them, and how they define it. We went on a side tangent about the lack of authenticity in personal communication, specifically on social media.

Takeaways

Building a purpose-driven agency focused on helping challenger brands make a positive impact in the world

The importance of authenticity, community, and engagement in brand building

Challenges of staying true to a niche and the risks and opportunities presented by AI

The responsibility of leveraging privilege to help others

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

01:10 The Journey of Five and Vine

05:23 Building Brands that Better the World

06:18 Staying True to a Niche

09:27 The Importance of Authenticity and Learning from Mistakes

11:18 Diversification and Engaging the Team

14:51 The Role of AI in Branding

22:41 Navigating Risks and Opportunities

26:09 Final Thoughts and Rapid Fire Questions

In this episode, I sat down with Aalap Shah from 108, a minority-owned digital agency. Aalap shares his journey to agency ownership, starting with his background in accounting and e-commerce. He discusses how he fell in love with marketing and eventually started his own social media agency. Aalap also talks about the recent acquisition of Heart Creative, which adds content production capabilities to 108. He emphasizes the importance of the pillars of values that his organization stands for, how culture and community are imperative in his agency, and the value of certifications like being a minority-owned business. Aalap also shares his passion for giving back and his love for running and nature.

Key Takeaways

• Agency ownership can happen by accident, as it did for Alib Shah, who started his agency after realizing he wanted to work for himself

• Acquiring another business can help fill gaps in services and provide new opportunities for growth

• Building a strong culture and community within an agency is essential for success

• Certifications, such as being a minority-owned business, can open doors and lead to new business opportunities

• Giving back to the community and being involved in philanthropic efforts can be a valuable part of an agency's mission

• Finding a hobby or activity, like running, can provide personal fulfillment and balance in the midst of running a business

Chapters

00:00 Accidental Agency Ownership

05:35 The Meaning Behind 108

09:35 Building Pillars of Expertise

13:36 Driving Consumer-Based Traffic

22:33 The Power of Looker Studio for GA4

26:27 The Value of Niching Down

Contact Aalap:

https://1o8.agency

https://heartcreative.co

linkedin.com/in/shahaalap