In episode 103 of Agency Bytes, I sit down with Greg Hickman, founder of Alt Agency and an expert at helping agency owners break free from the time-for-money grind. Greg shares his fascinating journey from the world of big agencies to building his own seven-figure business—while working just 25 hours a week! We dive deep into the pitfalls of the traditional agency model and explore how the Alt Agency approach helps owners productize their services, streamline operations, and reclaim their time.

Greg and I also unpack the difference between productizing and commoditizing agency work (hint: you don’t have to sacrifice creativity for efficiency!). We talk about scaling smart, building systems that don’t drain your soul, and why redefining wealth goes beyond the numbers in your bank account. Plus, Greg shares some personal stories and life lessons about being present for the moments that really matter, in business and at home.

If you’re looking to run a more sustainable and rewarding agency, this is one you won’t want to miss.

Key Bytes

• Greg Hickman transitioned from traditional agency roles to founding AllAgency.

• The Alt Agency model focuses on monetizing expertise rather than just labor.

• Productization of services can lead to greater scalability and efficiency.

• Wealth is defined not just by money, but by time and health.

• Agencies can benefit from creating multiple service tiers to cater to different client needs.

• The lines between agencies, SaaS, and coaching are increasingly blurred.

• Building a scalable business requires a shift in mindset and operations.

• Automation and systems are key to reducing workload and increasing profits.

• Greg's journey highlights the importance of adapting to market needs.

• The impact of helping 800 agencies showcases the ripple effect of effective coaching. 

• Productized services focus on specific outcomes.

• Systematization helps agencies improve efficiency and profitability.

• Lead generation is crucial for agency success.

• Productization simplifies marketing and client management.

• Agencies often lose money due to inefficient pricing models.

• Creativity can thrive within a productized framework.

• Differentiation is key to avoiding commoditization.

• Personal growth involves learning from past experiences.

• Being present in personal life enhances overall happiness.

• Enjoying the journey is as important as the destination.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Agency Bites and Guest Background

01:30 Greg's Journey in the Agency World

04:21 Transitioning to the Alt Agency Model

07:37 The Evolution of Services and Client Focus

10:40 Impact and Scale of the Alt Agency Model

12:59 Defining Wealth Beyond Money

13:31 Understanding the Alt Agency Model

19:54 Building a Scalable Offer Suite

21:31 Transforming Agency Services into Productized Offerings

24:33 The Importance of Systematization in Agencies

27:52 Lead Generation and Client Retention Challenges

30:19 Differentiating Productization from Commoditization

33:21 Personal Insights and Life Lessons

Greg Hickman helps agency owners and consultants escape the trap of trading time for money. After nearly two decades working with brands like Pepsi, AT&T, and the NY Jets, Greg built his own marketing automation agency and built funnels and systems for entrepreneurs like Dan Martell, Chris Ducker, John Lee Dumas, Jasmin Star, Nerd Fitness, and more. Now through AltAgency, he's helped over 800+ service providers build profitable, sustainable businesses by productizing their services and monetizing their expertise. Greg runs his 7-figure business working 3-4 days per week (most weeks), taking Fridays off for mountain biking, and wants to help others learn how to do the same. His unique approach helps owners ‘scale’ profits without scaling the complexity or sacrificing their lives.

Contact Greg: 

altagency.com

gregsvideos.com

In episode 102 of Agency Bites, I’m joined by Rena DeLevie—a leader and teacher who gets real about what it actually takes to show up fully and compassionately in today’s world. Yes, she’s got the corporate leadership chops and has been on a mission to end fear-based management, but what resonated most with me in this conversation was how personal and human her journey is.

Rena shares how, as someone with deep empathy and anxiety in her DNA, she learned to soothe her nervous system so she could show up with clarity and compassion—not just at work, but everywhere. We talk about the practices she leans on every day—meditation, breathwork, walking in the woods, connecting with nature, and even humor—as ways to ground herself and navigate stress, overwhelm, and tough decisions.

She’s lived through corporate toxicity, hard layoffs, and the pressure to “toughen up” as a leader. But instead of staying stuck in survival mode, she learned how to reconnect with herself, how to be present, and how to lead with kindness without losing her edge. 

This isn’t just a conversation about business—it’s about how we take care of ourselves so we can take care of others. It’s about slowing down enough to be intentional in how we speak, lead, and live. It’s about taking care of ourselves all ways, always. 

If you’ve been feeling stretched thin, reactive, or stuck in fight-or-flight mode, this episode will give you some simple but powerful ways to reset and recenter. Let’s get into it.

Key Bytes

• Compassion can radically transform agency culture and leadership.

• Fear-based management often leads to anxiety and burnout.

• Authenticity in leadership energizes both the leader and the team.

• Compassion and accountability must coexist in effective leadership.

• Daily meditation can help manage anxiety and foster self-awareness.

• Choosing yourself means prioritizing self-compassion and understanding.

• Humor can shift the energy of a toxic work environment.

• Compassionate leadership requires setting boundaries and not being a doormat.

• Navigating toxic environments often requires personal resilience and strategy.

• Modeling compassionate behavior can influence workplace culture positively.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Compassionate Leadership

01:15 The Shift from Fear-Based to Compassionate Leadership

04:06 The Energizing Power of Authenticity

10:00 Navigating Toxic Work Environments

12:56 Compassion and Accountability in Leadership

19:46 Daily Practices for Compassionate Living

25:52 Choosing Yourself: The Path to Self-Compassion

31:50 The Importance of Humor and Perspective in Leadership

Rena combines over 25 years with Fortune 500 companies and 20 years as a practitioner of mindfulness/meditation to show us the path to eliminating the fear-based culture so prevalent in

corporate America. Her book, Compassionate Management, How Ambitious Creatives Become Kick-Ass Leaders, and her TEDxTalk, Compassionate Management -- using compassion as a business tool has been used in businesses around the globe as a model to radically change leadership culture and how we treat one another.

Rena has given a TEDx Talk, presented at over 30 conferences, led over 60 workshops, and been on

dozens of podcasts. Rena is a high-energy presenter and interactively engages audience members to show compassionate leadership in action. This experiential approach empowers attendees to redefine their own leadership style and evolve their expectations of leadership culture.

Contact Rena on their website: renadelevie.com

In Episode 101 of Agency Bytes, I sit down with Kyra Cavanaugh, a wellbeing consultant, meditation coach, and Qigong instructor, for a conversation that feels like a deep breath in the middle of a hectic workday. We explore what it really means to prioritize wellbeing—not just for ourselves but for our teams and the people we lead.

Kyra shares practical, down-to-earth strategies for finding balance in a world that pushes us to hustle nonstop. We talk about how small, intentional moments of self-care can ripple into productivity, creativity, and stronger connections—both at work and in life. From recognizing when a teammate (or you) might need a breather, to breaking the cycle of “push through and crash later” culture, this episode is all about giving yourself permission to slow down in order to show up fully.

If you’ve ever struggled with burnout, felt the pressure to always be “on,” or wondered how to create a healthier, more human-centered workplace, this conversation is for you. Take a pause and join us.

Key Bytes

• Wellbeing is essential for productivity and creativity.

• Connection and mental health challenges have been prevalent for years.

• Daily self-care practices can help mitigate stress.

• Leaders must model wellbeing for their teams.

• Emotional intelligence is crucial in leadership.

• Establishing boundaries is key to healthy workplace relationships.

• Investing in oneself is a necessary practice.

• Simple check-ins can foster team connection.

• Recognizing the impact of personal struggles is important.

• Human connection should be prioritized in the workplace.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Wellbeing in the Workplace

05:55 Shifting Mindsets: From Work-Life Balance to Daily Wellbeing

11:48 Practical Strategies for Self-Care and Team Support

17:50 Emotional Intelligence in Leadership

23:50 Fostering Human Connection in the Workplace

Kyra Cavanaugh is a well-being consultant, meditation and healing coach, and Qigong instructor. She's worked with hundreds of businesses and thousands of leaders to improve personal, team and organizational well-being. She's an author, podcaster, speaker, coach and serial entrepreneur based in Asheville, NC where she loves to hike and listen to local, live music.

www.15Be.com

www.freeyourself.world

www.youtube.com/@freeyourselfworld

In the 100th episode of Agency Bytes, I couldn’t think of a more fitting guest to mark this milestone than the legendary Debbie Millman. As a designer, writer, educator, and the pioneering host of Design Matters, Debbie has shaped the creative industry in ways that continue to inspire me and so many others. In this conversation, we dive into her remarkable journey—from leading Sterling Brands to an Omnicom acquisition, to her impact on branding and design education, and even the evolution of her own 20-year podcasting career. She shares invaluable insights on leadership, overcoming rejection, embracing an abundance mindset, and finding inspiration in unexpected places. Plus, we discuss her upcoming book Love Letter to a Garden and the deeply personal connection between creativity and growth. It’s an episode filled with wisdom, warmth, and a celebration of resilience in the creative industry.

In this episode, we dig into:

• Debbie’s leadership at Sterling Brands and the journey to an Omnicom acquisition

• The evolution of Design Matters and what 20 years of podcasting has taught her

• How an abundance vs. scarcity mindset changed her creative path

• The impact of Milton Glaser’s mentorship and his powerful five-year vision exercise

• Advocating for women in design and her role in Omnicom’s Omniwomen network

• Dealing with rejection, imposter syndrome, and the realities of a creative career

• Her new book Love Letter to a Garden and the inspiration behind it

So, whether you’ve been here since episode one or you’re tuning in for the first time, thank you for being part of this journey with me. I sincerely hope you enjoy this special 100th episode of Agency Bytes with the one and only Debbie Millman!

Key Bytes

• Debbie became a shareholder at Sterling Brands in 1998.

• Leadership requires balancing financial acumen with creative passion.

• Debbie's management style was demanding yet fair.

• The acquisition by Omnicom was a pivotal moment for Sterling Brands.

• Debbie actively mentors and advocates for women in the industry.

• Her podcast, Design Matters, has evolved significantly over 20 years.

• Debbie's closing statement reflects her commitment to making a difference.

• The podcast has maintained a loyal audience despite industry changes. 

• Debbie's early writing for Armin Vitt's blog sparked her design journey.

• Milton Glaser's teachings on scarcity and abundance were transformative for Debbie.

• Writing a five-year plan helped Debbie visualize her future.

• Debbie emphasizes the importance of teaching and sharing knowledge.

• Rejections are a common experience, and feelings are temporary.

• Travel serves as a major source of inspiration for Debbie's work.

• Debbie's upcoming book combines her love for gardening and visual storytelling.

• Debbie encourages embracing both successes and failures in one's career.

• Believing in oneself is crucial for achieving goals. 

Chapters

00:00 Celebrating Milestones: The 100th Episode

12:37 Navigating Challenges in a Changing Market

18:06 Empowering Women in Creative Industries

24:42 The Evolution of Design Conversations

33:35 Navigating Rejections and Setbacks

42:05 Upcoming Projects and Personal Growth

Named “one of the most creative people in business” by Fast Company, “one of the most influential designers working today” by GDUSA, and a “Woman of Influence” by Success magazine, Debbie Millman is also an author, educator, designer, and podcast pioneer. Debbie is the host of the Webby and Signal award-winning podcast Design Matters, one of the first and longest-running podcasts in the world; Chair of the first-ever Masters in Branding Program at the School of Visual Arts, Co-owner and Editorial Director of PrintMag.com, and the author of seven books on design and branding. Debbie is the recipient of a Cooper Hewitt National Design Award and a Lifetime Achievement award from AIGA, the Professional Association for Design. She is currently a Harvard Business School Executive Fellow and was recently invited to the Design Advisory Board of Canva. 

Contact Debbie:

www.debbiemillman.com

branding.sva.edu

In episode 099 of Agency Bytes, I got to have our first-ever repeat guest: Kelly Campbell. Kelly is a trauma-informed leadership coach, author of Heal to Lead, and creator of The New TLC: Trauma, Leadership, and Consciousness on Substack. They aren’t just talking about leadership—they’re redefining what it means to be a leader in today’s world, starting from the inside out.

This conversation goes deep. We’re talking about the unspoken struggles that agency owners face—the hidden emotional baggage, the past experiences that shape how we lead, and why doing the inner work isn’t just self-care, but a leadership imperative.

Kelly shares how their own journey led to a radical shift in understanding leadership—not as a performance, but as an extension of our healing. We unpack why self-awareness is the foundation of trust, how compassion (not control) is the key to stronger teams, and why integrating past trauma is essential for leading with clarity and confidence.

We also get into:

• Why so many leaders struggle with reactivity, trust, and burnout—and how to break the cycle.

• The real difference between empathy and compassion (and why one is more effective in leadership).

• The danger of people-pleasing in leadership—when “being supportive” crosses into self-sacrifice.

• How agency leaders can create cultures of psychological safety, especially in uncertain times.

• Kelly’s bold decision to step away from LinkedIn for a year—and why they’re doubling down on deeper, more meaningful conversations on The New TLC.

• The agency landscape in 2025—why some agencies are thriving while others are struggling, and what owners need to focus on to stay ahead.

If you’ve ever felt like leadership was more exhausting than it should be—if you’ve questioned why certain situations trigger you, or if you want to create a more human, connected, and resilient agency culture—this episode will challenge you in all the right ways.

Kelly’s insights are game-changing, their wisdom is undeniable, and this conversation is one you don’t want to miss.

Key Bytes

• Publishing a book is a unique and challenging journey.

• The feedback from my book has led many to seek therapy.

• Vulnerability in leadership fosters trust and connection.

• Creating supportive environments is crucial for employee well-being.

• Compassionate leadership can reduce attrition and enhance collaboration.

• Personal experiences shape our leadership styles and effectiveness.

• Building community is essential for personal and professional growth.

• Experimenting with social media can lead to clearer boundaries.

• Daily practices can significantly impact overall well-being.

• Self-awareness is key to effective leadership.

Chapters

00:00 The Journey of Healing Leadership

06:30 The Creative Process of Writing a Book

12:00 Personal Growth Through Vulnerability

19:22 Navigating Leadership and Emotional Intelligence

23:44 Creating Supportive Work Environments

29:11 The Future of Leadership in a Changing World

33:12 Building Community and Personal Practices

39:53 Experimenting with Social Media and Boundaries

Kelly L. Campbell (they/them) is a Trauma-Informed Leadership Coach to emerging and established leaders who want to live, lead, and love with confidence and freedom. They are the author of HEAL TO LEAD: Revolutionizing Leadership through Trauma Healing. As a Sacred Trauma Healing practitioner, they work one-on-one with those who have experienced trauma in childhood or adulthood. Kelly has written for Entrepreneur, Fast Company and Forbes, and currently writes on Substack about “The New TLC: Trauma, Leadership, and Consciousness.” Their vision is for more than half of humanity to heal its childhood trauma so that we may reimagine and rebuild the world together.

Contact Kelly:

https://klcampbell.com

https://kellylcampbell.substack.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellylcampbell/

https://www.instagram.com/kelly.l.campbell/

In episode 098 of Agency Bytes, I sit down with Paolo Vidale, CEO of Hidden Gears, for one of the most honest and raw conversations we’ve ever had on this podcast. This isn’t just about agency life—it’s about the real, unfiltered struggles that come with being an entrepreneur and a human being.

Paolo opens up about one of the hardest challenges he and his wife faced—her unexpected cancer diagnosis at just 35 years old. We talk about what happens when life blindsides you, when everything you’ve built suddenly takes a backseat to survival, and how you find the strength to keep going. Paolo shares what it was like to step up as a caregiver, run a business solo, navigate financial pressures, and manage his own mental health—all while figuring out how to show up for his wife, his team, and himself.

We also get into:

• The emotional weight of entrepreneurship—and why so many agency owners feel like they have to have it all together, even when their world is falling apart.

• The unexpected kindness that came from clients and colleagues when he chose to be vulnerable about his situation.

• The hardest leadership lessons he learned while scaling back, delegating, and ultimately growing the agency in a healthier, more sustainable way.

• How this experience completely reframed his approach to work, life, and success—from prioritizing health and setting boundaries to embracing a “YOLO” mentality when it comes to experiencing life fully.

This conversation isn’t just about overcoming setbacks—it’s about redefining what truly matters. If you’ve ever struggled with balancing business and personal challenges, if you’ve ever felt like you had to carry everything alone, or if you need a reminder that it’s okay to step back, ask for help, and build a business that supports your life (not the other way around)—this episode is for you.

Paolo’s story is deeply personal, incredibly inspiring, and a powerful testament to resilience, leadership, and love. Give it a listen—you won’t regret it.

Key Bytes

• Life as an entrepreneur is filled with challenges.

• Vulnerability is crucial in business settings.

• Having a supportive partner can enhance business success.

• Navigating a health crisis requires clear communication.

• Delegation is essential for effective leadership.

• Prioritizing health can lead to better business outcomes.

• Traveling can provide a much-needed reset from work.

• Work-life balance is vital for a healthy team culture.

• It's important to redefine success beyond financial metrics.

• Health crises can shift priorities and perspectives on life.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Paolo Vidale and Hidden Gears

07:30 Navigating Personal and Professional Challenges

15:41 Coping with a Life-Altering Diagnosis

22:56 Leadership Lessons from Adversity

30:48 Reframing Life Priorities and Business Goals

39:51 Building a Healthy Work Culture

Paolo Vidali is the CEO and co-owner of Hidden Gears, a distributed web design, development, and marketing agency specializing in e-commerce solutions for growing businesses across the US, with offices in New York and Honolulu. With over 17 years of experience in web development and digital marketing, he focuses on Shopify Plus development, Pay Per Click (PPC) management, SEO, and conversion optimization. A veteran digital strategist and solutions architect, Paolo has a diverse background in managing sustainability initiatives, digital marketing strategy, and omni-channel retail.

Contact Paolo:

https://www.hiddengears.com

https://www.instagram.com/hiddengears

https://www.linkedin.com/in/paolovidali/

https://x.com/paolorobot

In episode 097 of Agency Bytes, I had the pleasure of speaking with Matthew Fox, a project leader, trainer, and operations consultant who specializes in conscious leadership and helping teams work better together.

Matthew opened up about his personal journey with imposter syndrome and how it led him to dive deep into self-development. Over the years, he’s explored frameworks like The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership and the Drama Triangle, which have shaped how he approaches leadership and team dynamics.

One of the biggest takeaways from our conversation? Project managers often spot cultural issues before leadership does. If your projects are struggling, it’s probably not just an execution problem—it’s a reflection of your agency’s culture

We also dove into the importance of self-care for agency owners—something too many of us neglect. Matthew shared how shifting from reactive, fear-based leadership to solution-focused, conscious leadership can improve team morale, retention, and overall agency success.

This was an insightful conversation, and I know agency owners will take a lot from it. If you’re stuck in survival mode, it might be time to rethink how you lead.

Ep 088 – Mario Lanzarotti, Zen-Preneurs – Mindful Agency Ownership

In this episode of Agency Bites, I sat down with Mario Lanzarotti, a business strategist who transformed his entrepreneurial journey through mindfulness and personal growth to focus on joy and making an impact. Mario shared his powerful story of starting an e-commerce business in New York, experiencing a pivotal panic attack that led him to meditation, and ultimately discovering the importance of emotional processing and redefining success. Through practices like Transcendental Meditation and plant medicine ceremonies, Mario developed his Zenpreneur method, which emphasizes that who you are being is more important than what you are doing. We dove deep into how entrepreneurs can break free from the hustle culture, process underlying emotional barriers, and create a more intentional, fulfilling business path. Mario's journey is a testament to the power of choice, inner work, and understanding that true success goes far beyond financial metrics.

Key Takeaways

• Mario's journey began in New York City with an e-commerce brand.

• Entrepreneurship is often perceived as a path to freedom.

• Stress can lead to a realization that something is off in life.

• Meditation provided Mario with a tool to regain control.

• Success is not just about financial gain but also personal happiness.

• The Landmark Forum helped Mario understand the power of choice.

• Agency owners often feel overwhelmed by information overload.

• Emotional processing is crucial for personal and professional growth.

• Redefining success can lead to a more fulfilling life.

• Who you are being is more important than what you are doing.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Zenpreneurship

01:00 Mario's Entrepreneurial Journey

04:31 The Turning Point: From Stress to Meditation

10:30 Discovering the Power of Choice

15:05 The Shift from Hustle to Zen

20:04 Emotional Processing and Personal Growth

25:13 Redefining Success Beyond Money

30:05 The Matrix of Entrepreneurship

32:07 Rapid Fire Questions and Closing Thoughts

Mario Lanzarotti is a pioneer in transforming the way agency owners scale their businesses, combining high-performance strategies with inner peace and sustainable success. After successfully exiting his first company, Awl & Sundry, in 2019, Mario embarked on a global journey that led to the creation of the Zenpreneur method—an innovative approach that empowers entrepreneurs to achieve 7-figure success without sacrificing their well-being.

Today, Mario is leading a movement that redefines entrepreneurial success by integrating wealth creation with self-mastery and mindful leadership. He specializes in guiding agency owners from overwhelmed solopreneurs to confident CEOs who build scalable businesses while maintaining freedom, control, and a lasting impact.

With over 1,000 business owners coached, Mario has left an indelible mark on the entrepreneurial community. His TEDx talk, which has amassed over 2 million organic views, underscores his groundbreaking methods for accelerating business growth while fostering a balanced, fulfilling lifestyle.

Mario’s mission is to help agency owners break free from the grind culture, scale with purpose, and create businesses that not only thrive financially but also contribute positively to their lives and the world around them.

Contact Mario:

https://www.mariolanzarotti.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/lanzarottimario/

In Episode 48, I engaged in an enlightening conversation with Kelly Berrk, a passionate advocate for brand strategy and yoga. We explored Kelly's journey of resetting after experiencing burnout, and the profound impact it had on her creative inspiration following a much-needed period of refocus. Kelly delved into the concept of brand therapy, an integral part of her brand strategy process, influenced by her commitment to self-care and life balance. She shared insights on how these practices serve as tools to connect the dots, helping brands articulate their messages and define their "why" and purpose.

Throughout the episode, Kelly emphasized the importance of exploration and connection with others to identify the common thread that ties together brands and relationships. She encouraged listeners to reflect on how they are fostering connections, practicing empathy, and building bridges to create meaningful openings in both professional and personal spheres.